Yeah, I'm not buying it at all. Those sorts of risks are hardly new, and have been effectively handled before without resorting to these sorts of measures. What's so different now?
The obvious intent is to terrify the general population with masked shock troops. This is third world warlord shit. It's more likely that what the lawyers are afraid of is their employability after this nightmare is ended.
Who wouldn't be afraid of their lives and their families safety, when there's aggressive mobs, both on- and off- line, waiting to doxx or physically assault you for doing your job and enforcing the law?
> How do YOU decide what is right and what is wrong?
Per the US constitution, if and when our government turns tyrannical, it is the duty of the American people to overthrow it, up to and including violence.
You might not agree with this principle, but these are the principles that founded our country.
>Masked individuals running around stealing people from the streets, their jobs, their homes, etc.
Yes, that's the process of law enforcement, what do you expect? Hugs and awards for breaking the law?
Go commit a crime and see masked individuals "stealing" you from your home or the street for breaking the law and taking you to court or to jail, those masked individuals are called law enforcement officers and are employed by our elected governments to enforce our democratic laws against those who break them.
They're masked because the criminal gangs love taking revenge on LEOs or their families. Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy.
And what is the procedure for me to not get abducted by some shithead thugs cosplaying as ICE, assuming it's totally fine for law enforcement to conceal their identities and throw people in unmarked vans?
How do I get myself unstuck from CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz once I'm thrown in there without due process?
Frankly, if an ICE agent or lawyer is concerned about violence on themselves and their family enough to hide their identity for just doing their job, which is wholly legal…that says more about the fucked up morality of those people who would seek to do them and their families harm far more than any commentary of the right and wrong of their duty.
A sensible comment like yours on getting downvoted just tells me that there are people on here that are blind to pragmatism.
They're afraid of their lives, from the violent protestors and gangs.
People support vigilante justice, until it happens to them, then they demand the police they've been labeling as "fascists", come to their aid and protect them.
Where is this happening, and does data show this at a level unprecedented in American history? We’ve prosecuted people ranging from colonial British loyalists to the Klan to the Mob, street gangs and drug cartels, militias, al-Qaeda / ISIS types, and the January 6th insurrectionists and government lawyers haven’t needed to hide their identities. The idea that these lawyers have such an unprecedented grave risk really needs some serious evidence to be taken seriously because the potential for abuse is huge.
Bad faith apples to oranges comparison. Different times back then, law enforcement had a lot more power to retaliate to violence against them. What would have happened to you if you threw rocks at cops in the 1950s?
So of course today you need to hide your identity when you're being assaulted like this by deranged protesters who think they are on the right side of history, but the law enforcement isn't allowed to retaliate in defense to protect you or themselves without being called Nazis or fascists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVYe6537FWo
Speaking of bad faith, how is an immigration court like a paramilitary raid? We do see judges getting death threats but the ones we know about have largely been from Trump supporters angry about judges staying his orders.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
Show me what legal recourse people have to get their needs met, and I will show you how those avenues are being clamped down on by the very same people concerned about their safety.
>Show me what legal recourse people have to get their needs met,
1. Which needs are the American citizens being deprived of, from ICE applying the law and deporting illegal immigrants?
2. Since when do "needs" excuse crimes from the application of the law? I'm an immigrant of socio-economic background, and I also need the car in your driveway and the chain on your wife's neck. Can I rob them from your family and be spared of the law just because of my needs?
Except they aren’t sending them home, they’re cruelly sending them to unstable countries they aren’t from and putting their lives at risk. I wouldn’t call that justice. It’s closer to genocide than not. We can and should do better.
So it's not only the ICE officers who are so ashamed of what they're doing that they have to hide, but it's the lawyers as well.
Wouldn't want to be immortalized in history books.
More likely, they don't want to be attacked at home by the kind of people who ambushed ICE agents on July 4th. [1]
Or by the cartels, for whom smuggling people into the United States is a lucrative (and violent) business. [2]
1: https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice...
2: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evol...
Yeah, I'm not buying it at all. Those sorts of risks are hardly new, and have been effectively handled before without resorting to these sorts of measures. What's so different now?
The obvious intent is to terrify the general population with masked shock troops. This is third world warlord shit. It's more likely that what the lawyers are afraid of is their employability after this nightmare is ended.
Don't confuse fear with shame.
Who wouldn't be afraid of their lives and their families safety, when there's aggressive mobs, both on- and off- line, waiting to doxx or physically assault you for doing your job and enforcing the law?
No such thing as "doxxing" a public servant.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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> How do YOU decide what is right and what is wrong?
Per the US constitution, if and when our government turns tyrannical, it is the duty of the American people to overthrow it, up to and including violence.
You might not agree with this principle, but these are the principles that founded our country.
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>Masked individuals running around stealing people from the streets, their jobs, their homes, etc.
Yes, that's the process of law enforcement, what do you expect? Hugs and awards for breaking the law?
Go commit a crime and see masked individuals "stealing" you from your home or the street for breaking the law and taking you to court or to jail, those masked individuals are called law enforcement officers and are employed by our elected governments to enforce our democratic laws against those who break them.
They're masked because the criminal gangs love taking revenge on LEOs or their families. Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy.
And what is the procedure for me to not get abducted by some shithead thugs cosplaying as ICE, assuming it's totally fine for law enforcement to conceal their identities and throw people in unmarked vans?
How do I get myself unstuck from CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz once I'm thrown in there without due process?
>Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy.
I refer you to the many, many cases of non-criminals being detained by ICE that have been covered in the news recently.
Or maybe it’s a sign that the people they are apprehending and those that support them are sociopaths.
Frankly, if an ICE agent or lawyer is concerned about violence on themselves and their family enough to hide their identity for just doing their job, which is wholly legal…that says more about the fucked up morality of those people who would seek to do them and their families harm far more than any commentary of the right and wrong of their duty.
A sensible comment like yours on getting downvoted just tells me that there are people on here that are blind to pragmatism.
these are champions of "if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide"; the carve-out; [until it applies to me], is usually not mentioned
They're afraid of their lives, from the violent protestors and gangs.
People support vigilante justice, until it happens to them, then they demand the police they've been labeling as "fascists", come to their aid and protect them.
> from the violent protestors and gangs
Where is this happening, and does data show this at a level unprecedented in American history? We’ve prosecuted people ranging from colonial British loyalists to the Klan to the Mob, street gangs and drug cartels, militias, al-Qaeda / ISIS types, and the January 6th insurrectionists and government lawyers haven’t needed to hide their identities. The idea that these lawyers have such an unprecedented grave risk really needs some serious evidence to be taken seriously because the potential for abuse is huge.
Bad faith apples to oranges comparison. Different times back then, law enforcement had a lot more power to retaliate to violence against them. What would have happened to you if you threw rocks at cops in the 1950s?
So of course today you need to hide your identity when you're being assaulted like this by deranged protesters who think they are on the right side of history, but the law enforcement isn't allowed to retaliate in defense to protect you or themselves without being called Nazis or fascists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVYe6537FWo
Speaking of bad faith, how is an immigration court like a paramilitary raid? We do see judges getting death threats but the ones we know about have largely been from Trump supporters angry about judges staying his orders.
How many Trump fans did you see physically assaulting immigration enforcement officers?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
Show me what legal recourse people have to get their needs met, and I will show you how those avenues are being clamped down on by the very same people concerned about their safety.
>Show me what legal recourse people have to get their needs met,
1. Which needs are the American citizens being deprived of, from ICE applying the law and deporting illegal immigrants?
2. Since when do "needs" excuse crimes from the application of the law? I'm an immigrant of socio-economic background, and I also need the car in your driveway and the chain on your wife's neck. Can I rob them from your family and be spared of the law just because of my needs?
Do you support the police wearing masks?
all they have to do is stop breaking the law.
Wait…exactly who is breaking the law again? And exactly which law they are breaking?
So why don't illegal immigrants stop breaking the law, to not need ICE? anymore
It's almost like someone learned the wrong lesson from the Neureberg trials.
My opinion: making people go home is not the same thing as genocide.
Except they aren’t sending them home, they’re cruelly sending them to unstable countries they aren’t from and putting their lives at risk. I wouldn’t call that justice. It’s closer to genocide than not. We can and should do better.
https://archive.is/LrjPb
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