Mond_ an hour ago

I used Manjaro for a few years.

That's how I learned a pretty important lesson about software engineering that still informs how I work to this day.

"A layer of abstraction on top of a stateful legacy system often doesn't result in a simpler system, it just introduces exciting new failure possibilities. This especially applies when the owners of the legacy system have no responsibility over the abstraction layer."

  • peeters an hour ago

    This comment made a lot more sense to me once I realized we weren't talking about an aggressively marketed weight loss drug.

toddgardner 9 minutes ago

If you never want this to happen again to your systems, we’re building a tool that bakes monitoring and validation into automatic cert renewals.

<https://www.certkit.io/>

  • exac 4 minutes ago

    Respectfully we have had Certbot for 11 years now.

nottorp 20 minutes ago

Technically it wasn't offline, was it?

You could even browse it if you used a browser who still treats you like an adult and allows you to ignore certificate warnings.

9cb14c1ec0 an hour ago

Just use Caddy. It's that simple.

  • dijit 11 minutes ago

    "I use arbitrarily complex software that has a rapid SDLC to obfuscate the issue with the fact that we have to have military grade encryption for displaying the equivalent of a poster over the internet".

    The state of our industry is such that there will be a lot of people arguing for this absurdity in the replies to me. (or I'll be flagged to death).

    Package integrity makes sense, and someone will make the complicated argument that "well ackshually someone can change the download links" completely ignoring the fact that a person doing that would be quickly found out, and if it's up the chain enough then they can get a valid LE cert anyway, it's trivially easy if you are motivated enough and have access to an ASN.

aslihana an hour ago

I love Manjaro too much, use it as daily distro but their certificate issues and its recursive behaviour threaten me a little bit.

ddtaylor an hour ago

A lot of repositories and similar go offline randomly. It hasn't happened in a few months but usually the Microsoft package mirrors go past their Azure limits and I get reminders.

  • arcanemachiner an hour ago

    This is like the third or fourth time this has happened to them.

    The Manjaro team has also caught flak for a bunch of other stuff. There's a page or two our there that detail the issues, which I'm too lazy to link here.

    But let's just say this isn't their first rodeo.

    • xethos 24 minutes ago

      Agreed. This is not the first time Manjaro has made a boneheaded mistake, nor will it be the last. This is just the most recent.

allddd an hour ago

At this point we have to assume they're doing it for attention. I refuse to believe a team of people that can ship an OS, even if it's just a riced Arch, cannot figure out acme.sh. Come on...

vpShane an hour ago

not the first time, I stopped using manjaro when I noticed ping.manjaro.org was being pinged every 30 seconds on a new router I setup. nothanks on that.

but seriously, sudo crontab -e, @monthly cerbot renew

No excuses.

  • fishgoesblub an hour ago

    It's not uncommon for a Distro to point NetworkManager or whoever to check for connectivity using their own servers, Arch does it themselves[0].

    [0] ping.archlinux.org

  • altairprime 43 minutes ago

    Note that the certbot instructions are to renew 2x a day with up to one hour of randomized delay; using @monthly as suggested here will result in occasional outages if the "once a month" renewal attempt fails in two consecutive months due to transient peak service blips (such as those caused by '@monthly' hardcoding for month X day 1 time 00:00 often UTC without randomization), especially as Let's Encrypt drops their lifetimes to 45 days over the next 2 years, which would result in certificates avoidably expiring in production. Please instead use certbot's recommended 2x/day renew with a random sleep of up to an hour before initiating each attempt; at least one of cronie, at, bash, python, perl random sleep methods are available on most* platforms, and are offered up by the crontab-command generator at https://certbot.eff.org/instructions .

    * There is a stack overflow page from 2016 filled with solutions for Busybox, so I'd say 'all' rather than 'some' but someone out there is hosting a webserver on a potato, so better safe than sorry.

  • marginalia_nu 24 minutes ago

    Certbot would be like the supply chain attack holy grail. Not sure I'd want software like that running unmonitored automatically with root privileges.