points by advisedwang 5 months ago

OK here's my understanding:

- LibreOfficeOnLine (LOOL) was created within The Document Foundation (TDF) but largely developed by Collabora. It was source only and suggested users pay a company to host for them.

- Some within TDF wanted to offer LOOL as a binary offering.

- Collabora moved their contributions to Collabora Online, which they controlled.

- LOOL was archived.

- More recently, LOOL was revived

- Collabora is pissed

- Collabora gets booted from TDF

I suppose this is a fundamental issue with the model of a foundation "owning" a product but a separate for profit company doing all the work. There's always going to be some issue that the two sides disagree on (in this case, how the free version is distributed). The foundation then either has to give in*, and become irrelevant or stand up for their own position, in which case the company is basically forced to pull out their co-operation. It seems unlikely that TDF will be able to make any product progress, and I bet in a few years collabora gets what they want and returns to the fold. TDF will either be cowed forever or this situation will just repeat on the next conflict.

* Like with OpenAI, where the for-benefit part eventually capitulated and became an vestigial organ of a for-profit business.

grandinj 5 months ago

Collabora was unhappy about the LOOL revival, but not enough to leave.

It was only when TDF contrived reasons to expel Collabora people that Collabora decided to leave.

(Full Disclosure: I am one of the Collabora people expelled)

  • chris_wot 5 months ago

    Oh shit, I’m so sorry Noel. That’s awful!

    • mksaunders2 5 months ago

      Please do read TDF's side of the story as well: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/04/01/comment-...

      • torginus 5 months ago

        I read it, and was hoping I would be more sympathetic to their side, but it was essentially 'they violated the rules our newly added non-contributor board members set, and by those rules, we kicked them out'.

        Essentially this 100% confirms the Collabora story, just elaborates a bit on how the administrative takeover was done.

        • chris_wot 5 months ago

          Not just this, it the way the vote was announced seems very, very bad. Italo may have found legal issues, but one of the things he said was that legal action was being taken by Collabora. That… doesn’t seem to be the case.

          Italo and co removed some very dedicated contributors from the TDF. What an absolute disaster.

  • salawat 5 months ago

    So what were the contrived reasons? I navigated getting coolwsd built before, but never quite got my user management layer for Nextcloud perfected to the point of going live... I thought it was a good piece of kit, but was a little bit skeptical of the branding divergence at the time. Something about it kinda just felt like drama waiting to happen. Was that it do you think? Or something else. Will keep an eye on the project regardless.

    • rurban 5 months ago

      TDF cites a lawsuit between TDF and Collabora, causing all Collabora employees being removed from the TDF board (not community). Which makes sense.

      https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2026/04/01/comment-...

      • quikee 5 months ago

        "...being removed from the TDF board"

        Not from the board, (implies board of directors), but from TDF membership (board of trustees). This essentially means you have no voting power and no benefits, but you're still free to still contribute by fixing bugs, adding new features, mentoring, code review,... ("community"). This are all the things that would benefit TDF by getting more money from donations (and then use that money for useful things that are mentioned in this TDF blog post).

wmf 5 months ago

I wish we would admit that you can't have it all. You can't have a product that is open source with neutral foundation governance and also have that same product be de facto proprietary. People have been pushing this bait-and-switch business model for too long.

  • jancsika 5 months ago

    Conversely, I feel like a company with a cracker jack support team to match their sales team could profitably sell support for ALSA if they wanted to.

  • karel-3d 5 months ago

    It was not really proprietary though? I don't like Collabora Office at all as a product (sorry, and I have tried) and the branding situation is super messy (sorry but it's true) but all the code is online.

    • opan 5 months ago

      Which free software license was it under?

      • karel-3d 5 months ago

        formally AGPL but they add impossible conditions so it's not really AGPL

senorrib 5 months ago

The company in question profits heavily from the open source nature of LibreOffice. They're a big government vendor in Europe, mainly because their codebase is perceived as open source.