points by freakynit 1 day ago

As much as I absolutely love Mimo V2.5 Pro (it's a genuinely good model), I absolutely hate the way they calculate usage in their token plan.

For example: For a super small task in a small project that should not be consuming more than 500K total tokens after all tool calls included, their shown usage shot up to 152 million tokens.

But, when I scroll down on the same page, a table shows usage as 3 million tokens, out of which 2.5 million were cached.

This is such a huge conflict on the very same page. The bad thing is that the usage progress bar is shown against that 150 million token usage, not against that 3 million one.

This has been in discussions for at least past 3 months on reddit as well, and was precisely the reason I subscribed to their lowest tier, and for a single month only.

Update: their own harness, mimocode, shows total token usage as just 63.1K. We now have 3 entirely different values, differing in 3 orders of magnitude.

Update 2: So, I did the exact same task this time using DS4Pro, and total token usage was just 101K (as shown by opencode).

microbass 1 day ago

It's very confusing. They have tokens for their API and credits for their "token plan".

  • freakynit 1 day ago

    Even worse... they use both terms on the same page in dashboard.

    """

    Credits 4,100,000,000 Credits

    Total Token Consumption

    """

    • freakynit 1 day ago

      Ooooo... I now realize the trick. It's a mental play... give 1000x of "credits" but charge in same old tokens.

      • throwa356262 1 day ago

        I prefer this to Anthropics "in the next 5 hours you have X tokens to spend, and we are not going to tell you what X is"

        Here token price is model price + busy hours surcharge, and BTW nowhere near 1000x

        • freakynit 17 hours ago

          No doubt this is better than Anthropics... and yes, I computed the ratio again: it's 38.92 (at least based on what's shown in my dashboard).