I was hoping this would be some new fangled way of viewing magic eye images mapped onto the inside of a tube through something like polar coordinates and viewed like a kaleidoscope. I was disappointed.
I have a couple of these. Of the ones in a working device, they are in capacitor ("condenser") checkers. You rotate a dial until the eye tube goes from closed to open, then read off the capacitance on the dial.
I don't remember the exact design off hand, but I seem to remember that about all that's inside one of these is the eye tube, a rectifier tube, and a handful of resistors and capacitors. Can also test leakage and shorts. They really knew how to get a bunch of things done with about 10 components back then.
When I was about 12 or 13 I recovered an old reel-to-reel recorder from the trash that had a magic eye tube on it (acting as a recording level meter). The mechanism was broken so it couldn't play or record tapes, but the magic eye worked. I'd never seen anything like it. I'd play with the thing in a dark room and enjoyed the eerie green glow from the magic eye and the warm yellowish glow from the tubes inside coming thru the vents. I saved the magic eye tube and still have it in a box somewhere.
> The eye is especially useful because the AGC action tends to increase the audio volume of a mistuned station, so the volume varies relatively little as the tuning knob is turned. The tuning eye was driven by the AGC voltage rather than the audio signal.
So, have a simple switch to disable AGC while tuning?
Or, a not-so-simple switch. The switch could be linked to a pawl which engages the teeth of a gear on the shaft of the tuning knob, such that you can't turn the tuning knob if you don't activate the switch.
Not that easy, AGC works both ways, if you disable it you need to provide a manual control to not blow your speaker or your ears or both. AGC controls the screen voltage of some tubes with a big factor of amplification. A typical remote cutoff pentode like a 6sk7 can change some 30-40 dB for stage. 70-80 dB AGC action is not rare.
> manual control to not blow your speaker or your ears or both.
Distinct from the volume knob?
It could be that rather than completely disabling AGC, it switches to milder compression.
Another idea is that while tuning, we can delay the volume recovery of AGC. In other words, the same fast compression attack, but very slow release, so that as the user tunes across the center of the band, they can still feel the volume swell.
A simple voltage divider could be introduced when AGC is turned off to attenuate the overall volume, so that the loudest blast is not that loud.
AGC is not compression, is a negative feedback loop that reduces gain to maintain a relatively stable output level. If you try to tune on a faint station near strong ones, the stronger carrier pumps the gain down, making tuning difficult. if you cut AGC the gain goes full up. You can cut AGC and reduce gain, but then you'll lack amplification to hear the weak stations.
If manual AGC and volume should be different controls depends on gain distribution across stages in the receiver. In superheterodyne AM receivers, most designs will need both to get best performance.
I remember playing with my father's collection of tape recorders when I was young and one of them had such a "cat's eye". Maybe that's where my love for glowing phosphors started.
My father had one as well, an old Magnecord unit packaged into a wooden case with transport and preamp, with the preamp having one of these tubes. Nevertheless, it was also fitted (perhaps by the dealer) with a proper VU meter. I learned the basics of recording on that, which served me well at a variety of times.
Naturally, his FM tuner from that era also had a horizontal magic eye tube.
I'm building a vacuum tube computer and want to use some somewhere, even though everything I've come up with is very shoehorned in. Best I've come up with is showing progress in the reset sequence.
Although right now the clock circuit isn't well defined (I've got a micro controller running the clock and front panel like signals while prototyping), so maybe a pll lock indicator.
It's cool, no doubt, but why precisely is it important? I find the engineering that went into late steam locomotives fascinating and much more complex and scientifically designed than the casual observer notices. But building one would be very expensive and serve no other purpose than to delight some nerds (which is a fine result but unlikely to be worth the price.)
> But building one would be very expensive and serve no other purpose than to delight some nerds (which is a fine result but unlikely to be worth the price.)
Better to waste RAM of bilions of people with Electron applications. Which also "serve no other purpose than to delight some nerds".
It is important because it keeps knowledge fresh. When knowledge goes stale you can no longer make things, and evolutionary paths are restricted to variations of what exists at that time. You can miss global maxima because there is no easy path from where you are now, but there could be from where you were.
It is likely to have either been the recording level indicator on an old valve reel-to-reel tape recorder, or the tuning indicator on an old valve FM radio.
The whole point of the Magic Eye tube was that it was cheaper than an analog meter. So it was the consumer-grade replacement for one. On pro gear, you'd find a meter movement and pointer, which is harder to make than a vacuum tube.
In "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (1951, not the remake), when the visitor goes into his flying saucer and powers up a communicator to report to HQ, there are two huge Magic Eye tube like devices. So back then it was a cliche for "radio". Start at 55 minutes.
I was hoping this would be some new fangled way of viewing magic eye images mapped onto the inside of a tube through something like polar coordinates and viewed like a kaleidoscope. I was disappointed.
I think the vaccum tube that it turns out to be is even cooler.
Yeah the fact that we can harness electricity and vacuum to make an indicator that just 'looks right' is kind of amazing.
I have a couple of these. Of the ones in a working device, they are in capacitor ("condenser") checkers. You rotate a dial until the eye tube goes from closed to open, then read off the capacitance on the dial.
I don't remember the exact design off hand, but I seem to remember that about all that's inside one of these is the eye tube, a rectifier tube, and a handful of resistors and capacitors. Can also test leakage and shorts. They really knew how to get a bunch of things done with about 10 components back then.
When I was about 12 or 13 I recovered an old reel-to-reel recorder from the trash that had a magic eye tube on it (acting as a recording level meter). The mechanism was broken so it couldn't play or record tapes, but the magic eye worked. I'd never seen anything like it. I'd play with the thing in a dark room and enjoyed the eerie green glow from the magic eye and the warm yellowish glow from the tubes inside coming thru the vents. I saved the magic eye tube and still have it in a box somewhere.
Yes! We had an old reel tape recorder with the magic eye, I loved using the mic with that.
> The eye is especially useful because the AGC action tends to increase the audio volume of a mistuned station, so the volume varies relatively little as the tuning knob is turned. The tuning eye was driven by the AGC voltage rather than the audio signal.
So, have a simple switch to disable AGC while tuning?
Or, a not-so-simple switch. The switch could be linked to a pawl which engages the teeth of a gear on the shaft of the tuning knob, such that you can't turn the tuning knob if you don't activate the switch.
Not that easy, AGC works both ways, if you disable it you need to provide a manual control to not blow your speaker or your ears or both. AGC controls the screen voltage of some tubes with a big factor of amplification. A typical remote cutoff pentode like a 6sk7 can change some 30-40 dB for stage. 70-80 dB AGC action is not rare.
> manual control to not blow your speaker or your ears or both.
Distinct from the volume knob?
It could be that rather than completely disabling AGC, it switches to milder compression.
Another idea is that while tuning, we can delay the volume recovery of AGC. In other words, the same fast compression attack, but very slow release, so that as the user tunes across the center of the band, they can still feel the volume swell.
A simple voltage divider could be introduced when AGC is turned off to attenuate the overall volume, so that the loudest blast is not that loud.
AGC is not compression, is a negative feedback loop that reduces gain to maintain a relatively stable output level. If you try to tune on a faint station near strong ones, the stronger carrier pumps the gain down, making tuning difficult. if you cut AGC the gain goes full up. You can cut AGC and reduce gain, but then you'll lack amplification to hear the weak stations.
If manual AGC and volume should be different controls depends on gain distribution across stages in the receiver. In superheterodyne AM receivers, most designs will need both to get best performance.
I remember playing with my father's collection of tape recorders when I was young and one of them had such a "cat's eye". Maybe that's where my love for glowing phosphors started.
Old electronics had so much sovl.
Might be dating myself by not being up to date on the latest slang or abbreviations, but what is "sovl"?
soul but using the roman v, I think. I've seen it before with cvlt that way
It's largely 4chan "look what they took from you" cultural panic newspeak, either ironically or unironically.
"sovl" has been variously used to describe LaserDisc, summer camp, bench seat trucks and the McRib.
My father had one as well, an old Magnecord unit packaged into a wooden case with transport and preamp, with the preamp having one of these tubes. Nevertheless, it was also fitted (perhaps by the dealer) with a proper VU meter. I learned the basics of recording on that, which served me well at a variety of times.
Naturally, his FM tuner from that era also had a horizontal magic eye tube.
They're real fun.
I'm building a vacuum tube computer and want to use some somewhere, even though everything I've come up with is very shoehorned in. Best I've come up with is showing progress in the reset sequence.
Although right now the clock circuit isn't well defined (I've got a micro controller running the clock and front panel like signals while prototyping), so maybe a pll lock indicator.
I wish we could manufacture these things again. Preserving the ability to build obsolete machines is important.
It's cool, no doubt, but why precisely is it important? I find the engineering that went into late steam locomotives fascinating and much more complex and scientifically designed than the casual observer notices. But building one would be very expensive and serve no other purpose than to delight some nerds (which is a fine result but unlikely to be worth the price.)
> But building one would be very expensive and serve no other purpose than to delight some nerds (which is a fine result but unlikely to be worth the price.)
Better to waste RAM of bilions of people with Electron applications. Which also "serve no other purpose than to delight some nerds".
It is important because it keeps knowledge fresh. When knowledge goes stale you can no longer make things, and evolutionary paths are restricted to variations of what exists at that time. You can miss global maxima because there is no easy path from where you are now, but there could be from where you were.
Related:
The Magic-Eye Tuning Indicator, W G Morley, The Radio Constructor, March & April, 1969:
https://www.r-type.org/articles/art-137.htm
I remember as a kid some device had one of these, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was.
It is likely to have either been the recording level indicator on an old valve reel-to-reel tape recorder, or the tuning indicator on an old valve FM radio.
thank you.
I suspect it must have been a radio. I remember it said something about eye, but was always dark.
The whole point of the Magic Eye tube was that it was cheaper than an analog meter. So it was the consumer-grade replacement for one. On pro gear, you'd find a meter movement and pointer, which is harder to make than a vacuum tube.
In "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (1951, not the remake), when the visitor goes into his flying saucer and powers up a communicator to report to HQ, there are two huge Magic Eye tube like devices. So back then it was a cliche for "radio". Start at 55 minutes.
[1] https://archive.org/details/day-the-earth-stood-still-1951