points by Dylan16807 3 years ago

Oh, I thought you meant spec minimum not legal minimum.

Does the law not say the cables have to meet the USB C spec?

scarface74 3 years ago

There are plenty of “USB C specs”

https://www.androidauthority.com/state-of-usb-c-870996/

  • Dylan16807 3 years ago

    And they all require data wires. The minimum speed is the same speed as Lightning. And the minimum wattage is higher than Lightning as far as I am aware.

    • scarface74 3 years ago

      They definitely don’t. The USB C cord that came with the previous MacBook Pros were power only as are a lot of other USB C cables especially ones that come with headphones.

      The maximum wattage of the little USB C cable that comes with headphones certainly don’t support a minimum wattage that will charge a large iPhone at any appreciable speed.

      • Dylan16807 3 years ago

        > The USB C cord that came with the previous MacBook Pros were power only

        Which ones? The posts I can find say they do USB 2.0

        > a lot of other USB C cables especially ones that come with headphones.

        > The maximum wattage of the little USB C cable that comes with headphones certainly don’t support a minimum wattage that will charge a large iPhone at any appreciable speed.

        Those cables don't meet the standard, then. The minimum is 3 amps and a single pair of data wires. And that doesn't require much, especially for a little 6 inch cable.

        • scarface74 3 years ago

          Where in the law did it mention a minimum wattage?

          • Dylan16807 3 years ago

            Now we've gone in a circle. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33365040

            If the law mandates USB C, then it mandates 3 amps for cables.

            • scarface74 3 years ago

              It mandates a USB C connector. They weren’t smart enough to mandate that “all USB C cables sold in the EU must actually meet the standard”.

              Then you also have the opposite problem. If the USB cable supports higher wattage power delivery, some low wattage USB C devices like headphones won’t charge.

              • Dylan16807 3 years ago

                > It mandates a USB C connector. They weren’t smart enough to mandate that “all USB C cables sold in the EU must actually meet the standard”.

                Then I don't know why you're spending so many posts purely about cables in complaint of this law. Cables have gone from unregulated to unregulated.

                If your underlying argument is "this is in the right direction but they should have gone further", you are not coming across that way with all your other posts.

                > Then you also have the opposite problem. If the USB cable supports higher wattage power delivery, some low wattage USB C devices like headphones won’t charge.

                Do you mean like the thing with raspberry pis? That wasn't about wattage, their miswiring meant that any cable with a tag would fail.

                Otherwise I don't see how that kind of failure is possible.

                • scarface74 3 years ago

                  > Otherwise I don't see how that kind of failure is possible.

                  Don’t you just love the USB C “standard”?

                  https://www.quora.com/Why-do-my-headphones-only-charge-with-...

                  Just so you don’t think I’m choosing some no name headphones as an example

                  https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00271328

                  • Dylan16807 3 years ago

                    I don't blame noncompliant cables on the standard. Why would I?

                    Your first link has one answer that starts with "likely because it’s not usbC"

                    Your second link just seems like ass covering? The only complaints I can find of those not charging seem to be unrelated to the cable used.

                    • scarface74 3 years ago

                      Those cables would be very much in compliance with the “standard” mandated by the EU. The EU only mandated the connector.