I mean, we have a Millenium problem that is most likely solved. Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could.
> We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.
No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened.
My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.)
So if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?
Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality.
At worst what OpenAI did was inconsiderate, but not referencing prior work is a minor academic sin. This is especially the case when AI is not playing the vanity game that seems to so inflame some mathematicians.
Sure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?
We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
> We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?
No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.
You literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?
> You literally said they _stole_ the work
No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened.
My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.)
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523
So if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?
No one owns mathematics. It's not covered by IP law.
It's immoral to steal someone's research. Quite sad that you don't believe that.
Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality.
At worst what OpenAI did was inconsiderate, but not referencing prior work is a minor academic sin. This is especially the case when AI is not playing the vanity game that seems to so inflame some mathematicians.
It was inconsiderate and it was also stolen, just like everything else OpenAI has stolen to train their models.
> Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality.
We could also acknowledge that everything that could justifiably be considered stealing is not necessarily covered by current statute.
Sure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?
Oh no, Mr. Internet Rando, don't scold me!
You seem to be a little sensitive about the subject. Which AI firm do you work for?